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Re: [SIGMusic] Android on Tacchi



its 1080p

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:00 PM, David Hollander <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'll make some interface mockups of any ideas I come up with and start a new thread then. What is the screen resolution and dimensions of the display?

-David


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, RJ Marsan <rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The music sequencing and synthesis projects you mentioned are quite easy to make.  I don't feel the entire club needs to work on them.  That being said: You seem to be very interested in it, and I would love to help as well.  Regardless of what project we end up putting the most effort into, we'll present all of the projects that got fully written and are worthy of displaying at EOH (We presented several last year).

It seems like Android will inevitably end up on the table.  Maybe its just hype, thats always a possibility.  Most likely we will have some build of Android running on the table in the near future, so if you want to start writing any of the apps, look into android dev and you can be the first one with a Tacchi Android app.

If you want to start some more discussion on a music sequencing/synthesis app, and hash out some more details, lets start a new thread.  I'll join in.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:26 PM, David Hollander <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
RJ I think the main benefit to multitouch DJ app would not be reinventing the interface. All the commercial-style DJ apps already have pretty decent on screen interfaces. I think the external MIDI controller market ONLY exists because they can't directly touch the interface without using a mouse.

The main benefit would be that the onscreen turntables are fully functional turntables. You won't have to plugin seperate turntables to manipulate the on screen representation of them, you simply scratch the tables on screen with your fingers.

For really cool\unique interface stuff, one would want to pursue a music sequencing and synthesis project rather than DJing pre-existing songs. Where the itnerface is responsible for sequencing midi note events, and is a simple audio host for synthesizers plugins such as VST where people have already created thousands of pluggable instruments in or a more open format like LV2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LV2 or LADSPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LADSPA


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:06 PM, RJ Marsan <rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thats a very legitimate thought.  I don't know the internal mechanics of Mixxx, nor do I know how good it is. If anyone has any experience with it, and can compare it with commercial apps.

What kind of an interface would we use to make it multitouch and unique?


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:18 PM, <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If there is an open source DJ software you want to use, that presents yet another option: One could simply work with the project's current maintainers\commiters to port it to Android and provide an optional Android skin.
-David


On Sep 11, 2010 6:38pm, Marcell Vazquez-Chanlatte <vazque16@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Hey all, couldn't help but read that part about mixxx. I used to use mixxx for vinyl emulation. Its open source and setting of the devices would be np as long as you follow standard out types.
> > Ah I thought Ardour was more for composing than DJing, I'll have to grab it
> > on my ubuntu partition and actually test it. I think another free one I've
> > heard of for Linux is "Mixxx" http://www.mixxx.org/ which could be worth
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> > looking into.
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> > For a multitouch DJ interface that plugs into existing software, I know an
> > expensive commercial one is JazzMutant Lemur:
> > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jazzmutant+lemur&aq=f could be
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> > a good source of ideas on that front.
> >
> > -David
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> > On Sep 11, 2010 1:52am, RJ Marsan rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Ryan, sorry I forgot to mention. We've been looking into Android-x86.
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> >> Thats the port we're using to write the TUIO module. We discussed it for
> >> a while on this thread
> >> http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/archives/sigmusic-l/msg00471.html.
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> >> As for the project discussion,
> >> Both of those examples are simple and interesting. The reason for Android
> >> is not for the web browser, but the point is its a fully featured
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> >> operating system designed to be used without a keyboard. Its already
> >> being adopted for larger surfaces than the phone, so the table is a
> >> natural extension. It has a fair amount of libraries already built in
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> >> that are incredibly useful, however it was made for a phone in mind, so
> >> changes to it aren't terribly easy, but its FOSS.
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> >> If you have any interest in those applications, we can nail down an SDK
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> >> for the table as soon as possible, and we can all start writing stuff.
> >> The experimental collaborative apps like those you posted are really cool
> >> and important, however we can't neglect the appeal of a multitouch DJ app.
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> >> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:14 PM, David Hollander dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> Android seems ideal if you want other tablet functionality such as
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> >> Internet Browsing, however I am assume you would not be able to run
> >> Ableton or Traktor and developing the interface as a plugin for either.
> >
> >> However, that is not necessarily a bad thing at all. Because emulating a
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> >> DJ mixer would not be a very collaborative experience. If someone examing
> >> the display plays with the interface while someone is mixing, it's more
> >> likely that result would end up sounding worse as the turn off a track or
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> >> the mix drops out etc. DJ interface would not necessariyl take advantage
> >> of the collaborative potential of such a large flat screen... perhaps a
> >> massive Tenorion would be more collaborative?
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> >
> >> Here are some fun examples of this idea you can play around with:
> >> http://wonderfl.net/c/vWpu
> >> http://wonderfl.net/c/4WVb
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> >
> >> http://wonderfl.net/c/qf4b
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> >
> >> All are MIT license I believe.
> >
> >> Since the taachi is fairly widescreen in ratio, maybe it would display
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> >> 2-3 square music grids or instruments at a time. then at the bottom or
> >> top there would be a small ribbon where you could move your hand to the
> >> left or right to pan to new instruments (colored grid squares). So you
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> >> could collaborate on different isntrument tracks and edit at least 2
> >> instruments simultaneously.
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> >> Another option could be to start with the Plasma-pong-esque graphics you
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> >> built as a base. When someone touches the screen it creates fluid ripples
> >> corresponding to a sine oscillator sound wave form that create new
> >> sounds. When someone else touches the screen nearby and the ripples
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> >> collide, the sine oscillators also combine and you can create different
> >> waveforms. For example a saw wave depending how many people are touching
> >> the screen at what distances apart.
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> >> Just some ideas.
> >
> >> -David
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> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Ryan Teel teelrc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> I did some looking around and found an open source android for x86
> >> project.
> >> http://www.android-x86.org/
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> >> I took a look at their multitouch compatability, and it seems like they
> >> already have a layer of abstraction set up. It looks like would just need
> >> to write a plugin for the way we do touch inputs. It's definitely worth
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> >> looking into.
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> >> -Ryan
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