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Re: [SIGMusic] Android on Tacchi



Actually it's less than that, remember all the bullshit we had to deal with in making the resolution correct?

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On Sep 12, 2010 6:09 PM, "RJ Marsan" <rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> its 1080p
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:00 PM, David Hollander <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'll make some interface mockups of any ideas I come up with and start a
>> new thread then. What is the screen resolution and dimensions of the
>> display?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:42 PM, RJ Marsan <rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> The music sequencing and synthesis projects you mentioned are quite easy
>>> to make. I don't feel the entire club needs to work on them. That being
>>> said: You seem to be very interested in it, and I would love to help as
>>> well. Regardless of what project we end up putting the most effort into,
>>> we'll present all of the projects that got fully written and are worthy of
>>> displaying at EOH (We presented several last year).
>>>
>>> It seems like Android will inevitably end up on the table. Maybe its just
>>> hype, thats always a possibility. Most likely we will have some build of
>>> Android running on the table in the near future, so if you want to start
>>> writing any of the apps, look into android dev and you can be the first one
>>> with a Tacchi Android app.
>>>
>>> If you want to start some more discussion on a music sequencing/synthesis
>>> app, and hash out some more details, lets start a new thread. I'll join in.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:26 PM, David Hollander <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> RJ I think the main benefit to multitouch DJ app would not be reinventing
>>>> the interface. All the commercial-style DJ apps already have pretty decent
>>>> on screen interfaces. I think the external MIDI controller market ONLY
>>>> exists because they can't directly touch the interface without using a
>>>> mouse.
>>>>
>>>> The main benefit would be that the onscreen turntables are fully
>>>> functional turntables. You won't have to plugin seperate turntables to
>>>> manipulate the on screen representation of them, you simply scratch the
>>>> tables on screen with your fingers.
>>>>
>>>> For really cool\unique interface stuff, one would want to pursue a music
>>>> sequencing and synthesis project rather than DJing pre-existing songs. Where
>>>> the itnerface is responsible for sequencing midi note events, and is a
>>>> simple audio host for synthesizers plugins such as VST where people have
>>>> already created thousands of pluggable instruments in or a more open format
>>>> like LV2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LV2 or LADSPA
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LADSPA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:06 PM, RJ Marsan <rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thats a very legitimate thought. I don't know the internal mechanics of
>>>>> Mixxx, nor do I know how good it is. If anyone has any experience with it,
>>>>> and can compare it with commercial apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of an interface would we use to make it multitouch and unique?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:18 PM, <dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is an open source DJ software you want to use, that presents
>>>>>> yet another option: One could simply work with the project's current
>>>>>> maintainers\commiters to port it to Android and provide an optional Android
>>>>>> skin.
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2010 6:38pm, Marcell Vazquez-Chanlatte <
>>>>>> vazque16@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hey all, couldn't help but read that part about mixxx. I used to use
>>>>>> mixxx for vinyl emulation. Its open source and setting of the devices would
>>>>>> be np as long as you follow standard out types.
>>>>>> > > Ah I thought Ardour was more for composing than DJing, I'll have to
>>>>>> grab it
>>>>>> > > on my ubuntu partition and actually test it. I think another free
>>>>>> one I've
>>>>>> > > heard of for Linux is "Mixxx" http://www.mixxx.org/ which could be
>>>>>> worth
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > looking into.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > For a multitouch DJ interface that plugs into existing software, I
>>>>>> know an
>>>>>> > > expensive commercial one is JazzMutant Lemur:
>>>>>> > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jazzmutant+lemur&aq=fcould be
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > a good source of ideas on that front.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > -David
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Sep 11, 2010 1:52am, RJ Marsan rjmarsan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> Ryan, sorry I forgot to mention. We've been looking into
>>>>>> Android-x86.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> Thats the port we're using to write the TUIO module. We discussed
>>>>>> it for
>>>>>> > >> a while on this thread
>>>>>> > >> http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/archives/sigmusic-l/msg00471.html.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> As for the project discussion,
>>>>>> > >> Both of those examples are simple and interesting. The reason for
>>>>>> Android
>>>>>> > >> is not for the web browser, but the point is its a fully featured
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> operating system designed to be used without a keyboard. Its
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> > >> being adopted for larger surfaces than the phone, so the table is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> > >> natural extension. It has a fair amount of libraries already built
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> that are incredibly useful, however it was made for a phone in
>>>>>> mind, so
>>>>>> > >> changes to it aren't terribly easy, but its FOSS.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> If you have any interest in those applications, we can nail down
>>>>>> an SDK
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> for the table as soon as possible, and we can all start writing
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> > >> The experimental collaborative apps like those you posted are
>>>>>> really cool
>>>>>> > >> and important, however we can't neglect the appeal of a multitouch
>>>>>> DJ app.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:14 PM, David Hollander
>>>>>> dhllndr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Android seems ideal if you want other tablet functionality such as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> Internet Browsing, however I am assume you would not be able to
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> > >> Ableton or Traktor and developing the interface as a plugin for
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> However, that is not necessarily a bad thing at all. Because
>>>>>> emulating a
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> DJ mixer would not be a very collaborative experience. If someone
>>>>>> examing
>>>>>> > >> the display plays with the interface while someone is mixing, it's
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> > >> likely that result would end up sounding worse as the turn off a
>>>>>> track or
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> the mix drops out etc. DJ interface would not necessariyl take
>>>>>> advantage
>>>>>> > >> of the collaborative potential of such a large flat screen...
>>>>>> perhaps a
>>>>>> > >> massive Tenorion would be more collaborative?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Here are some fun examples of this idea you can play around with:
>>>>>> > >> http://wonderfl.net/c/vWpu
>>>>>> > >> http://wonderfl.net/c/4WVb
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> http://wonderfl.net/c/qf4b
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> All are MIT license I believe.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Since the taachi is fairly widescreen in ratio, maybe it would
>>>>>> display
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> 2-3 square music grids or instruments at a time. then at the
>>>>>> bottom or
>>>>>> > >> top there would be a small ribbon where you could move your hand
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> > >> left or right to pan to new instruments (colored grid squares). So
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> could collaborate on different isntrument tracks and edit at least
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> > >> instruments simultaneously.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Another option could be to start with the Plasma-pong-esque
>>>>>> graphics you
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> built as a base. When someone touches the screen it creates fluid
>>>>>> ripples
>>>>>> > >> corresponding to a sine oscillator sound wave form that create new
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> sounds. When someone else touches the screen nearby and the
>>>>>> ripples
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> collide, the sine oscillators also combine and you can create
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> > >> waveforms. For example a saw wave depending how many people are
>>>>>> touching
>>>>>> > >> the screen at what distances apart.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Just some ideas.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> -David
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Ryan Teel teelrc@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> I did some looking around and found an open source android for x86
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> project.
>>>>>> > >> http://www.android-x86.org/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> I took a look at their multitouch compatability, and it seems like
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> > >> already have a layer of abstraction set up. It looks like would
>>>>>> just need
>>>>>> > >> to write a plugin for the way we do touch inputs. It's definitely
>>>>>> worth
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >> looking into.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> -Ryan
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
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